New WINDOWS LIVE Breaks GTAIV even worse

Today April 21st, Microsoft released a new update to WINDOWS LIVE . The forums at GTAFORUMS.Com goes crazy.
Looks like Microsoft bundled some lines of code that totally trashed what few users and players of Grand Theft Auto IV, that Rockstar Games had left. The game seems to work fine in Multi- Player , but has traumatic effect on Single player mode. You can no longer tweak and adjust your game. The game stutters so bad and hangs up, that no one can get even four minutes of play time to test out said tweaks. It kind of looks intentional.
Picture this:
Rockstar games might have actually put the screws to Microsoft, for allowing cheats in thier online community, and well, looks like they might have barked up the wrong tree. Sad part is, they are contracted to them, so they can’t just drop the windows live program.

This of course is where the modders and tweakers need to come together. MTA-IV and Iv-mp need to band together and make something quick to save Rockstar in this.

Now this is pretty much speculation, but man it would be scary if it was true.
Xliveless is the way to go, but patches are hard to get and use once you do that.

If you feel that Microsoft needs to Address this, Sign below with a response.
Let our Text be read, we need to prove there are more than just a hand full of out there.

Call it a petition. Call it a group effort. I just consider it a gathering of upset customers.
We are customers of Microsoft, we are displeased.

Even if you do not agree with my opinion, let your’s be read and lets let Microsoft hear from us.
Just reply to this with your opinion on the matter.
Digg it for me

A Glitch Within a Glitch GTAIV

Decided to drive to the swingset in Gtaiv on a motorcycle.
I pulled up to the leg of the swingset and bam.. my wheels disappeared. I kept trying to ride away, but that wouldn’t happen. It was as if I was stuck to the swingset. So I got off the bike and was about to just run away, but decided to see if the game sees the bike as being a dead bike. What I mean by that is , sometimes when you trash a vehicle, exit the vehicle and try again to mount/enter, the game will act as if it isn’t there. So I wanted to see what the game  saw it as, it let me on. The bike rolled backward about a foot or so then it froze. I exited again to see if it would happen again. Cool it did, but I was still stuck to the swingset. I kept doing it till the bike disconnected from the swingset, I then rode away with no wheels. On a hover craft like Harley bike thingy lol.

Of course I tried to save it to see what it is like next time I boot the game up. we’ll see when I reboot.

Images are found here at original post

http://gtaclans.com/index.php?topic=112.0

How to Fix GTAIV pc Memory leak

If you have a computer and plan to play  Grand Theft Auto iv  on pc.

People are  reading forums on how to resolve issues with their game. They are gathering information from people who do not know what they are talking about. I will help you with just a couple steps. First you have to understand that the person who claimed GTAIV pc has a memory leak, has no clue what he/she is talking about and should clearly be labeled the planets biggest idiot.  All planets need an idiot.

The fix, is the same fix for all games using a new architecture/engine. Here is the fix.

Go to the website for the manufacturer of your motherboard. Download all drivers for your motherboard.

Go to the website for the manufacturer of your video card.

Now before installing the new drivers, you must uninstall all the drivers you currently have installed.  I usually disabled the plug and play option in Control PanelAdministrative Toolsservices. Of course I do this on Vista because it keeps trying to install some crummy drivers  when I reboot after an uninstall. You really shouldn’t need that, but if you do, you know how.

Ok after the uninstall reboot your computer, and now install your drivers one by one, rebooting after each driver installed. On the final driver install, instead of rebooting, shut down your pc. When the pc is off, unplug the power to it. Clean up all the dust in all of your heatsinks (cpu,gpu,northbridge,south etc) clean your memory sticks. Remove all dust out of your pc. Make sure your air flow is heavy through your case.

The way I do that is, at the back of the pc where you see the 80 mm fans. There is like a grill around those. Since I don’t have a 2 year old kid in my house, I snip those grills out. This drops my temperature by about 2-5 degrees C . Here’s more on the subject.

And the last thing for you. DON’T OVERCLOCK YOUR MACHINE, unless you know what you are doing.

I am a regular user at the gtaforums  located at gtaforums.com.  100% of the memory leak complaints there, have been resolved with driver issues,heat issues, or the moron tried to overclock and did not want to face the fact that his computer was the issue, not the game.

In the end, this help post will get you playing Grand Theft Auto IV, that simple. The game works fine. Maintain your rig or go back to the console gaming. The cause is not overclocking it’s self, but poor overclocking could be a factor. If your machine is overclocked, set your o/c items back to default and give the game a go. If you can get the game running with your parts clocked to normal, gradually work your way back up in o/c until you reach a stable setting.

How? As if you are overclocking your video card, move each slider (depending on the tool you are using) up by 5mhz, test the game, move up 5 more, test the game and so on till you get a crash. After crash, move sliders back three. When it stables out, move forward one, if it crashes move it back one. and so on. Helpful posts

Same with bios / cmos settings with memory and cpu. Except not with sliders of course. Yes it is tedious but it resolves your issue.

Here is a lesson in how to adjust your  settings for smooth video play

And here is the whole help page from Rockstar.

Note: You must have Vista Service Pack 1 or Windows XP Service Pack 3 installed PRIOR to installing and running
Grand Theft Auto IV PC.
Right-click ‘My Computer –> Properties’ to see if you have the latest Service Packs installed, and if not check Windows Update and download before trying to install the game.

To help you understand that. It means that if you installed the latest service pack for your operating system  AFTER you installed GTAIV. It would be wise if you uninstall the game and delete all folders now. and reinstall the game.

Somewhere there was talk of resetting your registry but I haven’t had to study that. I will look into it if needed.  Yes it sounds like a hassle, but it does tell you on the box what the required service pack would be.  Fyi  windows xp 64 , you have to have service pack 2, or it will tell you it’s an incompatible operating system. 64 is not listed in the req area :-(

It does work though.

The worst Game Review Ever.

I was surfing the forums at GTAFORUMS.com and stumbled upon a thread about a review of Grand Theft Auto iv for pc. Here is the review.

The “writer” cries about applications that hog resources. As if they are a whole other operating system running in the background. Sorry dude, I have gamed  every GTA game through Linux using wine ( with the exception of GTAIV,  will do soon though.) and I know resource hogging programs when I see them.

The “writer” complains about Rockstar Social Club as if it leaves a huge foot print.  Come on !!!!!!, it’s 28 mb at the most. Then the “writer” goes on crying that he had to create a login for MS Live. Oh come on dude. The game just won Game of the Year for the console versions. Really it’s ok to log in and see when your friends are on. No really, it will not hurt to see when people are ready to game with you.

The “writer” goes on to say that He will buy the xbox30 version instead, and rattles off something about pc gamers being treated like pirates.  Sorry clowns, but people pirate games for XBOX360  at 10 times the rate PC does.  Who are you fooling with this? Google it see for yourself.

My review of that review, concludes : Utter crap written by a moron who does not know how to tweak his own computer and no intentions of ever upgrading his hardware.  On that note, bit-tech.net = fail useless website. Nice work asshats.

For the record, I play the game . On a budget PC. $311 budget to be precise. NO overclocking involved.

AMD 5600 am2

Nvidia EVGA 9500 gt  512 mb ddr2

Ballistix 4gig memory  pc 6400 ddr2 800mhz fsb

Resolution  1440×900  Med/high 30,30,

Vista Ult

61FPS indoors

34fps outdoors

Some of this is using data from Charming Charlie from GTA Forums.Com

Here is a real review of the Grand Theft Auto IV PC from a real gamer.

GTA IV PC SWingswet Glitch

The glitch is confirmed, it is there in the PC version also
one minute video, shouldn’t harm anyone to wait one minute.

for the record I have
amd2 5600 dual core
Nvidia 9500 gt 512 mb
4 gigs of Ballistix pc6400 ddr2 memory
Windows Vista Service pack 1
22 frames per second looks like that.

The pop ins didn’t happen until I converted the game.
Strange how that worked.

Anyhow I found where everyone went on the xbox 360 version and the playstation 3 version of the game, and decided I would drive there in a Banshee. I mean why not, it’s a fricken Banshee!!!
The swingset shreds that car fast.

Rockstar Torronto speaks up on GTA Iv Issues

The gang at GTAFORUMS.Com Have been working hard to keep the forums under control and prevent the angry few from destroying the place and Grand Theft Auto’s good name. For the most of us, we got the game working just fine. A few people here and there had bad issues with Grand Theft Auto iv. The fourth installment of GTA.  A large amount of people complain about bad frame rates aka FPS (means Frames per seconds). But the worst issue is missing textures and or cars not showing damage. The cars not showing damage typically happens to people using ATI brand Video cards. The missing textures  happens to people using Nvidia video cards. The slow frame rate, well it leaves no one out.

From a Member of Rockstar’s Torronto group, we received a warm comfort of support

Here is the original post His name is Rockstar Toronto   lol

Hey guys,

We’ve been reading the forums and understand that several of you are experiencing difficulties with Grand Theft Auto IV PC, and we are committed to doing everything we can to help resolve these troubles. We are working on a number of solutions, outlined below, and over the next few days we will be responding to questions posed on this forum in an effort to get your game up and running as quickly as possible. Please continue to check the list below for updates.

Driver News
We�re pleased to announce that in co-operation with Nvidia a new driver has been released that improves performance and fixes a major issue with 7900 series cards. If you haven�t gotten the driver yet download it here: http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_gtaiv_downloads.html

ATI has also agreed to officially release Catalyst 8.12 which will release on Dec 10th from http://game.amd.com. Expect significant performance improvements when using this new driver.

Patch Is On The Way
We are working on making a patch available in the next few days. Since Grand Theft Auto IV is a Games For Windows � Live game the patch must be certified by Microsoft before release. The patch is already at Microsoft and we expect a speedy approval.
The patch contains a variety of fixes including:

-A fix to the crash after legal screen that some German customers were reporting.
-Numerous improvements to the video editor: Smarter naming of videos, improved rendering quality, better fx during replays
-Fix to bowling while using certain sensitive mice
-Fix for ATI 1900 shadows
-Overall savings to memory
-Graphic improvements to particle systems and mirrors
-Multiplayer character settings are preserved
-Support for DirectInput controllers. Note: The current hack way of supporting these controllers may not work with the improved functionality. So we recommend you remove the hack before upgrading to the patch.

Issues with power management software have also been fixed (slow speed, double speed issues). Even after the patch comes out setting power management software to maximum performance is recommended. We’ve seen cases where power management software does not detect the game is running and puts the CPU in green mode.

Besides the patch we’ve also improved the way the Social Club handles data this should have greatly reduced or eliminated the Mma10 error. If you are still receiving this error after logging in and out of Social Club we would like to know as much info as you can about it.

Information Needed For Troubleshooting
We want everyone to experience Grand Theft Auto IV on the PC the way it was intended. To that end, we will continue to monitor the forums for any and all issues users are having, and respond whenever possible. We would greatly appreciate it if people with unresolved problems could post some information about their PC configuration in this thread for us. Please include the following information:

-Where exactly in the game you experienced the issue (start screen, while playing the game, etc.)
-What version of the game you have (retail, steam, other online store)
-What is your OS
-Benchmark info or DxDiag is also helpful

Rockstar Games Social Club Application Info
Due to the high volume of new Social Club users, some users may have experienced periods of time where they are unable to log into their Social Club account using the Rockstar Games Social Club application. If you are unable to log in using the Rockstar Games Social Club application, please skip the login process by clicking “Skip Login” or run in offline mode by clicking “Start in Offline Mode”. This is meant as a temporary solution to allow users to play GTA IV PC, so please continue to periodically retry your login as we are working hard to promptly address any lapses in service.

A small number of users have reported the Rockstar Games Social Club application encountering a fatal error, preventing them from playing GTA IV PC. One possible solution is to uninstall the .NET Framework (from Add/Remove Programs) and reinstall it by downloading it from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details…&displaylang=en. If you continue to run into fatal errors in the Rockstar Games Social Club application, please contact Rockstar Games support.

Thank you for your patience as we continue to work around the clock to resolve these issues. Support updates will continue to be posted at www.rockstargames.com/support as soon as they are available, and we will update this thread with any new information as well. Please send any inquiries about non-support issues to mouthoff@rockstargames.com.

Thanks,
Rockstar Games

UPDATE – Since this thread is already getting so long we are asking everyone to post in this newly setup forum:
http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showforum=233

This way we can better keep track of issues and have things be better organized.

Now don’t get me wrong, I am not blaming people for their gaming discomforts. Really though, the majority of people having issues had mismatched components. Wrong voltage on of processor, cards that where better for a later version of PCI Express slot. Memory sticks that performed at a higher  rate than the processors max. Some where just people who are brand new to overclocking  to play a game that will stress all video cards. Really you do not want that much stress on an overclocked card/processor.

A few people found redemption in  blackviper’s site, and others found the new  180.84 drivers to work fine. the trick was, uninstall current drivers, install new one, and delete settings file. Bif boom Bam , brand new again.

There is much hope in the patch. They are waiting on Microsoft to verify the patch.  Microsoft works at it’s own pace. I see it no sooner than the 20th. I do however hope the patch adds features.

GTa Iv Pc My Review

I like very few others, Have had as little to do with seeing GTA IV missions and feature. I did this to avoid ruining the game for me.

Even though Rockstar Never told us about a pc version to come, I still had hope.

So here is a review from a non paid true Grand Theft Auto player/lover.

For starts I had an issue with the game it gave me a fatal error. . After some research found that it was just a sign in error with Rockstar game’s server. simple fix, don’t sign into Rockstar’s social club untill they fix it.

Check in every now and again. I am kind of thankful for this because I want to get to know the feel of the game, and the way it plays and how the cars handle before I jump into a mass of retards cussing and climbing all over everyone with shotgun shoot outs. Yeah I played mta a few times and sa-mp in fact gtaclans.com is my site :-). So here is my run down of first day impressions.

The controls

I was disappointed with the lack of control features, until I figured out how to double click on the configuration. Double click it you will be a bit happier. For the most I just went with their controls but still tried to make it feel like older gta games.

Camera angles kinda irritate me a bit. I can’t find where they have the setting “steer with mouse” so the camera angles will be automatic. I hope someone shows me something before I just sit and submit.

The game when controlling the car, well it feels a bit like True Crimes. I would almost swear EA had a hand in this game.

The feel

Yeah it feels like Liberty City. But a bit more angry, with a few pedestrians really making you not like ditsy people. They talk on the cell phones all the time and say the ditsiest stuff.

When you fall, you feel it in your stomach as you have with older gta games. You almost lose your breath when it’s a 30 foot drop. anything further and the shock dissipates.

The cars feel like real cars, you over steer you slide, you under steer you skid and bump the wall (in the junker cars)

Game Play and Missions

Yep it’s GTA.

The missions keep you creaking in your chair as you actually try and lean different directions as if it will Help Niko.

The bad guys are more human now. They can lose a fight and do it looking like a person scared and hurt.

So far the three or four missions I have completed, are a tad short and easy.

First mission is always finding your house.

Second mission really reminded me of the second mission in gtaiii.. You have to go drive somewhere and pick up some girl somewhere. actually it was two but only one mattered to the person who sends you. or was that a later mission. no matter it still feels familiar.

Graphics

My video card is not the latest greatest and highest, so my settings are really low, and yet I still love the way this game looks.

With everything set at the lowest setting, it still looks better than any other GTA game out there set at max.

With everything set just a notch above lowest settings, the game looks better than console versions. I have been watching videos all day. in fact they where playing the game at the Game Stop I went to as I was picking up the game. I still liked the way it looked on the XboX360 except for that stupid blur thing they do with the current gen consoles.

Pay phones, if you wreck into them, set off some pretty blue sparks. it’s amazing what happens and how it looks.

As you crank up the settings, billboards look better with clearer text, so does the graphiti and road, but my video card ran slower and slower every time I cranked it up.

I found a nice low setting and really have a beautiful looking game play.

My favorite game of the GTA games, is still GTAIII, Second would be San Andreas. but I bet if I soak in as many hours on this one as I have with all the others, it will soon shoot to first. I loved Grand Theft Auto 3 for the simple fact that it taught me how to tweak, overclockand update/upgrade my computer. Vice city did nothing for me. it was a yellow stained flop . I mean it was like Rockstar said “heh I figured out how to make it smother” so they plopped outa game. San Andreas on the other hand tugged on the resources of my computer and once again I had a mission. The game was long, large and a blast with tons of places to drive through.

I watched the forums at gtaforums.com as I have for the past 4 years, as soon as I had a hint the game might hit pc. I watched it all the way up till I got home from work today with the game in my hands. tons of people had issues with the video. Man they got mad and would lash out at anyone who tried to help, as if they where being called stupid. but with a process of elimination, we found it was Nvida video cards and a specific driver. The fix was to just un-install the game, Delete all grand theft auto iv folders. un-install the drivers, whip out your cd that came with your video card, install those drivers and re-install the game. Pretty darn simple. Rockstar did say they have a patch in the works to resolve the issue. Read the gta forums , they will help you. There is talk of doing a back up of your entire registry before playing. if you have an issue and have to roll everything back. use th backed up registry. not sure how that works.

Well as I was saying, I was prepared for the worst . well not the worst, let’s not tempt fate.

Well day one is complete. Tomorrow when I have had more sleep, I will work the controller settings and see if I can fix that dang camera.

issues for me are as follows: camera angles, CD key registration (you have to put the dashes in), Can’t sign into windows live until you do the  windows live update, and can’t use all features until Rockstar fixes the servers

scale 1-10 , I give the game an 8 . that is first try experience, let’s see if tomorrow helps or hurts that score.

I will be back with the multiplayer report in about 5 days. I want good practice first.

GTAIV On Pc Speculated Differences

First Off I have to say;

Thanks to the console people for  all the beta testing they did for big boys. Your efforts are apreciated.

Now on Rockstar’s site and take two’s site they say there will be

“newly expanded multiplayer just for the PC”

and from Rockstar we get

We are proud to announce that Grand Theft Auto IV will be arriving for the
platform it was birthed on this November. Grand Theft Auto IV for the PC will
feature everything from the acclaimed original console releases, along with
newly expanded multiplayer just for the PC and more

http://ir.take2games.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=326627

Ok, We anticipate  the online play to be very similar to mta and sa-mp .

Allowing us to be our own server, or the option to join windows online for official servers  making sure  we have a clean safe un-modified game play. If not, we will probably fix that issue ourselves, totally bypassing the windows online game play.

We do expect better resolution.

We do expect exclusive downloadable content aka dlc. I have hopes of previouse games being played on some sort of console that comes with the first dlc. Games susch as gta and gta ii and hopefully gta advanced. I mean that is all far fetched but not completely impossible.

We are expecting custom radio stations, and maybe streaming radio.

We will be making our own fingerless gloves. you can count on that.

ok the gloves, somewhere in some of the previews they showed the gloves, but final cut did not have them.. so we will have them.

Rockstar Games Makes Gtaiv Pc Official

Rockstar games mailed out the official news letter three days later than take two’s announcement .

We are proud to announce that Grand Theft Auto IV will be arriving for the
platform it was birthed on this November. Grand Theft Auto IV for the PC will
feature everything from the acclaimed original console releases, along with
newly expanded multiplayer just for the PC and more.

Grand Theft Auto IV for the PC debuts on November 18th
in North America and on November 21st in Europe.
Stay tuned in the coming weeks for more details.

www.rockstargames.com/IV


Visit the FINERY section of the Rockstar Warehouse to shop for a
newly added range of limited–edition Grand Theft Auto IV tees.

Including:


Available in black and white.

“Kill Your Hunger. Bleedin’ Tasty.”

“Dog Eat Dog World”

These things (and especially Large and XL sizes) tend to sell out fast, so move quickly!

www.rockstargames.com/warehouse

Grand Theft Auto IV – ESRB Rating: MATURE with Intense Violence, Blood, Strong
Language, Strong Sexual Content, Partial Nudity, Use of Drugs and Alcohol.