Should You Overclock Your Nvidia 9400

The question has always come up. “Should I overclock my video card?”.

We all want to know we are resourceful and frugal enough to make a good deal out of what we have. It’s in our nature.

Contrary to popular opinion.
Overclocking shows no actual performance difference.
It may show increase in certain feilds of benchmarking but will also show a hit in other fields. If the card makers made it so you could unlock magical sections of your gadget so you can save money, no one would buy better. The best you can get from overclocking is a cool score on a benchmark test.

Your video card is fine for what it is made for. I have seen some extreme benchmark scores come from that video card. Truth is though, once you put any weight on it like actually gaming and random processes such as gaming, you will see a drastic hit on it.

I have busted many video cards and processors and sticks of memory through the years (12 years) playing the cheap role.

For better performance buy a video card that performs better right out of the box. and then go back to your 9400 and overcliock the dogsquirts out of it and see what it’s full potential is. get benchmarks and play some games. Then toss it aside and put the newer better card in and see for yourself.

If you overclocked good enough the 9400 would have out performed a boxed 9600 right out of the pack. Low shader count means your video card will stop at the low number and not stress on drawing the greater shaders. In fact it will ignore them. So your benchmark scores could smear the 9500 9600 9200 210 video cards. but in actual game play. That’s a whole different story.

Just because a video card does not have certain features does not mean it will not perform as good. it just means it will look like crap and not have all of the image features. In some cases it will perform 1000 times better and faster when clocked like crazy, but you will not see what everyone sees in the game.

heck it was almost 3 years before I realized gtaiii billboards actually had crap on them. and that there was smoke coming out of the stacks at teh first safe house.

You do not want the video card with the first of a feature. you want the video card that came years later. The 9500 and the 9600 have huge shader counts yes, but they don’t have the nuts to use them.

move into the 200s or greater (which is the same processor as the 9000s) .. the freaking 500s are right around the corner.

Yank that card and stick it in a media computer. It’s great for dvd and 720p hd.

AMD New Six Core CPU

AMD CPU ON ZDNET
Ok, dur. This thing will go from it’s normal everyday regular processes to run another process that is self focused? are you kidding me? why add more work to your work horse? are they that dang impressed by dodges Himi that drops from 8 Cylinders down to six when in highway gear?? IT’S NOT THE SAME THING!!!!!! STOP IT . AMD has been on a downward spiral for a couple years. Now they have put the nail in the coffin. They really should have left it at six cores and then release the information that you yourself can adjust it closer to what they state on Zdnet. I mean AMD has always be the DIY processor anyway…. Right? Well they need to give the users what they want.. and for that matter, Nvidia freaks….. bring coolbits back! (I know AMD and ATI yadda yadda it’s my post let me vent)

XFX 750a SLI Motherboard

Since my last motherboard died three days ago, I had to trade it in, just days after I upgraded to it. So now I am using the black edition of the XFX 750a SLI nFORCE Motherboard.

Here are the stats for the machine I am using:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+
Windows 7 (6.1) Ultimate Edition (Build 7100)
CPU Arch : 1 CPU – 2 Cores – 2 Threads
CPU PSN : AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+
CPU EXT : MMX(+), 3DNow!(+), SSE (1, 2, 3), x86-64, AMD-V
CPUID : F.B.2 / Extended : F.6B
CPU Cache : L1 : 2 x 64 / 2 x 64 KB – L2 : 2 x 512 KB
Core : Brisbane (65 nm) / Stepping : BH-G2

Freq : 2900.22 MHz (200.02 * 14.5)
MB Brand : XFX
MB Model : MD-A72P-7509
NB : NVIDIA nForce 740a SLI rev A2
SB : NVIDIA nForce 740a SLI MCP rev A2
GPU1 Type : NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
GPU1 Clocks : Core 550 MHz / RAM 500 MHz
GPU2 Type : NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
GPU2 Clocks : Core 550 MHz / RAM 500 MHz
DirectX Version : 11.0

RAM : 2048 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
RAM Speed : 362.5 MHz (Unknown) @ 5-5-5-18
Slot 1 : 1024MB (6400)
Slot 1 Manufacturer : Corsair
Slot 2 : 1024MB (6400)
Slot 2 Manufacturer : Corsair

This motherboard is probably the most complicated install I have done since my old old EPOX motherboard back in 98. Actual jumper usage for overclocking. If configured incorrectly, you will not be able to boot to any operating system. On day one, I fell asleep in a pile of computer parts at 3 Oclock in the morning, sitting on my floor at the foot of my bed. So determined to finish the job. The next day I woke up to my alarm clock at 6 am and left for work, hurting from sleeping sitting up. The instruction book that came with the motherboard, was a lame accordion fold thing that just listed content and identified parts. All the use I had of a search engine was through my G1 phone. Glad I had it though. I was going to give up, but I found people leaving reviews at some sites (for buying computer parts) and the reviews they left said really bad stuff (not looking good) then there were follow ups saying ” ok last review was right in the sense it expressed how I felt, but after learning how to work this better, This is an awesome motherboard. Clearly not for the novice, oh and the full instruction manual is a pdf on the driver install disk”. That is sooo owrong. I was wanting to give up and take it back but I see that other people had a rough start and they figured it out. So now i was determined.

There is a huge set of jumpers between the PCI-E slots, move the jumpers to position 3-4 for all of them, you will be fine.. That is if you want to use the pci-e slots. If you intend to use SLI mode, you will lose the option of pci-e1. So take out all pci-e 1 cards.

There is a jumper next to the  onboard power/reset/cmos buttons. No matter what the book says, leave it at  1-2 pins. That is of course, if you just want the machine to boot up. Mess with the whole overclocking feature later when you confirm the machine works.

There is another jumper at the foot of the green PCI-E slot. That slot is labeled as being PCI-E4 . Really it is not what you think. that is actually the primary display slot. I know, it’s not the ideal typical location. Just do it, use that slot you will understand later. If you need to know now, it’s the closest spot to the north bridge (there you happy?).

Boot to bios and set everything back to default. Go to “JusTWoot” (lol)

XFX 750a Bios

Just Woot in my Bios

and set everything to auto. go to pc health and check to make sure that your processor is reading at the default speed. Mine kept overclocking to 4940 MHZ, That’s  2 gigs over default. Explains why it would crash most of the way through boot up.

After setting everything up and getting my machine running at default, it took me 15 hours of hard brain scratching work to get it going, I have to say, this is clearly by far the best motherboard I have ever purchased. I am far beyond satisfied. I can not thank the one person on the review system who retracted his negitive review by saying  that the people who reviewed it negitivly , clearly where counting on just plug and play. I love this motherboard.

At default I out benchmark any previous motherboard my components have been plugged into. Now I shall focus on geting new components.


Processor benchmark scores up to date

looks like passmark just updated today .
Steak and Bj day of all days.
Seems they are married people. lol
That’s the Assgot Ring Effect
put a ring on her finger and her assgot bigger and her mouth got smaller.
but here is the scores from their site.

High End Cpu scores

Mid Range Cpu Scores

Low End Cpu Scores

Common Processors

Now For the one we really wanted to see.
Over Clocked Processors

Looks to me as of today 3/14/09 Amd Is the best “right out of the box” central Processing Units
but when you overclock, Intel i7 stomps.. Very good job guys, thanks for the scores.

Tech Forum Relaunch

I just got done rebuilding the tech forum.

My hopes is that we will help each other find solutions to their tech issues. so please sign up and check in from time to time. Maybe someone will ask a question you can answer. I know you guys out there have plenty of witts about you in the computer and electronics field. Not everyone is as good as you guys.

So come to http://iworkwithtech.com/forum/

Sign up. Leave a greeting somewhere or start a new thread, or heck make a request.

How To Speed Up Your Computer

Ok if you do not want to read all this, let me sum it up for you. Cool your computer. Cooling your computer is greatest strongest method of overclocking you will ever do. Now for the non A.D.D. Readers in here.

Ideal range is 80-95 °F. This will be the optimal temperature region. For a short while there, it was common for a processor to boot at 150 °F. That to me that is a scary temperature. But that does seem to be a peice of the past now.

<taken from everest>

Temperatures
Motherboard   29 °C (84 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1   12 °C (54 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2   15 °C (59 °F)
MCP   47 °C (117 °F)
Aux   11 °C (52 °F)
GPU Diode   38 °C (100 °F)
HDT722516DLAT80    31 °C  (88 °F)
MAXTOR 6L080L4    23 °C  (73 °F)

Cooling Fans
CPU    3013 RPM
Chassis    4116 RPM

The first thing you do to drop your temperature, clear passage from front. Get some zip ties and find a way to tie everything back without creasing anything. The flat cables (if you have them) Known as ribbon cables, do not fold or squish or crease them, the wires inside are pretty fragile.

Find all heatsinks remove the fans and clean out the dust from the heatsinks. Do the same with the fans.

Use canned air when you can, some times a toothpick  with a mashed end. what I mean by that is have one end kind of smooshed and frayed to be like a paint brush. you will need the pointy end and the brushy end to get into the tight spots. yes it is important to get in all grooves even the tiny spots.  that junk builds up fast if it has some already there to stick to.

air flow needs to be from one end to the other. not some out the back some in the back som in the front some out the side. You would have crazy crap and get nothing accomplished. you have to think about it like water.  water/air flow best when there is as little disruption as can be. So one fluid direction is best.

Also you do not want to disrupt the air flowing through the cpu’s heatsink. This one is most important, second most important is the Video Card. If you know how to replace heatpaste, I suggest you knock that out now also.

The sorriest myth is the video card memory heatsinks. If they are stuck on by two sided tape, peal them off and chunk them aside, they are useless. You want as  smooth of a metal to metal contact. Foam in between is just retarded and a really sorry joke they pulled on you. Faom tape glue is not a good heat inductive material… sorry.   but teh tech world has proven that copper is best. The heat paste people use is to creat a vacuum seal between the metals. Amazing how it all works.. just trust me foam tape is not going to cool anything.

This so far is teh best way hardware wise to make your computer feel like brand new if not slightly better.

REvived my Video card

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If you read my earlier post about my cat killing my video card.

You would pretty much assume that the card could not be saved. The card was so bad off it was like the “degause” button was stuck and well you pretty much assume the card was french fried. After 4 hours of wiping with a cotton swab and water then going back with window cleaner the very next day and doing this for about four hours only to give up and say “screw it” and start spraying the video card soaking it in glass cleaner even in the dvi socket and vga socket and s video socket, then going back with a paper towel and dabbing up the glass cleaner after it soaked for a minute then sprayed again and dabbed again. Final spray was a soaker of the entire card to rinse off remaining coffee residue. I dabbed after a two minute soak and drain , then went back and wiped with a paper towel and a hand full of cotton swabs until the card looked brand new. I mean under a microscope you would not find any dust, not one drop. I let the card sit for one more night, and a whole day of work.

Of course I tilted the card so that what ever fluid/liquid that was still in the card in any of the sockets would drain downward back the way it entered.

I dug out my BFG nvidia drivers, I put on fresh heatsink paste (the only heatsink paste I found was the cheap tube I had in my parts box) reinstalled my heatsink 01-30-08_1751.jpg

Snapped card back in, connected fans and power to card and booted up and installed the bfg nvidia drivers.

Went to pc pitstop and did my usual bencmark

here is a past work

here is after the clean up and reinstall

To see quick results, go to “compare” at the bottom.

here is the temporary card .